Montreal musician Patrick Watson (photo by Patrick Gouin)

By Anita Malhotra

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Patrick Watson’s second album, Close To Paradise, won the 2007 Polaris Music Prize (photo courtesy of Patrick Watson)

Releasing his first album in 2003, Watson won the Polaris Music Prize in 2007 for his second album, Close to Paradise, and went on to release Wooden Arms (2009), Adventures in Your Own Backyard (2012) and Love Songs for Robots (Getter Robo Getter 1 VER for COMICS vol.04 (Repaint Version) (japan import)).

Several of his songs have been featured in movies as well as in TV shows like Grey’s Anatomy, The Walking Dead, and Orange is the New Black.

Watson is also a soundtrack composer and recently created the sound and music for Gymnasia, a haunting virtual reality piece co-produced by the National Film Board and Felix & Paul Studios, and directed by animators StealStreet SSWJHE24180 Daily Offering to The Infant Jesus Holy CardsChris Lavis and Maciek Szczerbowski (aka Clyde Henry Productions).

Anita Malhotra spoke with Patrick Watson by phone on June 11, 2019 about his work on Gymnasia, his approach to music and his current projects.Basic Choice Bed Sheet Set Brushed Microfiber 1800 Ultra Soft Bedding Wrinkle, Fade, Stain Resistant 4 Piece (White, TWIN)

AM: How did you get involved with doing the music and sound for Gymnasia?

PW: Chris and Maciek work for Clyde Henry Productions and I usually do all the music for their films. We got involved in VR because Felix & Paul Studios had asked Chris and Maciek to test out a camera of theirs – to do a little short.

We did this very humble video of me playing in my studio. In the initial test they noticed that a certain type of simplicity was really crucial. The whole thing is meant to feel like you’re sitting there, and at one point I look at you.Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles SDCC 2015 Leo 8 Vinyl Figure If it’s done well, the effect of being alone with someone in VR is a strange experience, even before you start adding any kind of fancy stuff.

A lot of the other VR projects were more geared towards being kind of fancy, like you’re in a weird world on a roller coaster. Because this one was so simple, it seemed to have had a large effect on people. So that demo we made, Strangers, Thumbs Up Glow in The Dark RC Helicopterended up circling the globe and became this kind of go-to video to show people the potential of VR.

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Chris Lavis (L) and Maciek Szczerbowski (R) (photo courtesy of the National Film Board of Canada)

Because of that, Felix & Paul asked us to do another one together. So Chris and Maciek decided to make something that was a bit of a childhood dream. It’s still not trying to sell the viewer with too much info.Velvet Touch Ultra Plush African,Dancing Oriental Figures Ornate Design Elements Tribal Folkloric Vintage Design,Black White Weighted for Adults Kids, Better Deeper Sleep 60 x62 The space is really well made and you really feel like you’re sitting there. There are not too many bells and whistles.

We made a plot line that was very surreal and not trying to be a giant narration. I feel like it’s a very good approach for VR, because I feel like VR is closer to photo than film.Origin8 Brazeon Adapter, 31.8, Black

AM: How did you go about capturing the mood of the visuals in Gymnasia?

PW: I started with the sound.Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Balloon Kit I think it’s crucially VR sound first, and music only if you need it. Because unless the music is integrated in the space, it tells your brain you’re not there.

Image from the virtual reality piece Gymnasia (photo courtesy of the National Film Board of Canada)

VR doesn’t work the same as film, because when you watch a film you’ve already decided that you’re going to lose yourself in the environment. But with VR you’re supposed to be there.

So VR music is very tricky actually. Touhou Project Youmu Konpaku 1 8 PVC Figure (japan import)The sound really decides the tone more than the music. My approach with music is, “This is the place that, if I put music there, it’s not going to ruin it.” It’s not how do I make it better; it’s how do I not ruin it.Fenlin Antler, Throw Blanket for Girls, Reindeer Silhouettes with Writings Grunge Inspirations Christmas, Throw Blanket, 62x60 Inch Pale bluee Grey Pale Brown

So I initially approached from the sound point of view. And the sound point of view is to give it that kind of abandoned feeling without being too scary. Creek Ywh Ins coffee table tablecloth fabric cotton and linen small fresh table waterproof and oilproof antiscalding disposable Nordic home, cactus 3, 90140cm (small coffee table)And then the rest was what would this space actually sound like, Luvabella Brown Hair, Responsive Baby Doll with Real Expressions and Movement, for Ages 4 and Upwithout trying to colour it too much. That’s actually very tricky.

Ambience is very complicated in VR because when you’re in a room your ears tell you how big the room is – not your eyes. Proximity effect in VR is super sensitive.

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Image from the virtual reality piece Gymnasia (photo courtesy of the National Film Board of Canada)

AM: You wrote a beautiful choir song for Gymnasia. Lil' Wings Metal Biplane Ride On Toy for Toddlers 22 x 19 x 11Can you tell me a bit about that?

PW: The song is integrated into the space. We wanted a haunting lullaby for children. That kind of stuff is easy to write because I’ve got kids.Men's Snap On 1 1 2 (38 mm) Rectangular Vintage Retro Leather Belt Tan XXL 4345 It’s an easy universe to get into. That’s why a little more of my energy was put to the spatialization, because the music was very obvious.

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Image from the virtual reality piece Gymnasia (photo courtesy of the National Film Board of Canada)

The basketballs were a bit more complex. We knew we needed music inside that, but once again I didn’t want to ruin it, Delicious By Soda Yummy Cutout Stacked Heel SandalTan Pu9so we started off with sound.

We actually put a mike in the gym and gave 20 people basketballs and played out the actual scene with the spatialization.T.S. Shure Hang’Em Mouse Wooden Magnetic Hangman Game It would sound so fake if you tried to redo it yourself any other way.

And then, from there, I just accentuated music. The music is actually integrated inside the project not as music, but more as sound design. When I threw the strings in the back to give it a little bit of a dramatic tone, it wasn’t too jarring. And all the weird synth modular stuff that I put in there is pretty wild and integrates very nicely.

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AM: What is it like to work with Chris and Maciek?

PW: There’s nothing more fun than working with Chris and Maciek. They’re like a dream. Both of them are really talented in very different ways. Playmobil 9052 Mega Fire Rescue Set Fire Engine with Lights and Sound + Fire Rescue StationIt’s like a two-headed dragon with two totally different personalities.

Still from the animated film Madame Tutli-Putli, directed by Chris Lavis and Maciek Szczerbowski (photo courtesy of the National Film Board of Canada)

We talk a lot about the projects way before we start making them and we have a pretty respectful relationship in terms trusting each other’s instincts.Wearing Transformation Kamen Rider Helmet Hyperform (japan import)

If something passes our three different kinds of filters, generally it’s got to be something very good. At the same time I know it’s their film.Smallbeefly Bulldog Super Soft Lightweight Blanket Doodle Style Fun Pattern with Playful Domestic Pets in Party Hats and Crowns Oversized Travel Throw Cover Blanket 62 x60 Black and White The director always has to be the director.

I met them after they did their first film that went to the Oscars – Littlest Pet Shop Fanciest Pets Monkey. I begged them at that time to do their music, and then years later they finally connected with me.

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AM: Do you have any other projects coming up with them?

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AM: When do you like to write your music and do you have an ideal place to write it?

Patrick Watson and his band accepting the Polaris Music Prize in 2007 (photo by Dustin Rabin Photography)

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PW: I go to work every day and write every day. When I travel, Lord of the Rings collectors models 'Eowyn at Minas Tirith' number 150 hand painted figurineI write too, and sometimes it’s really fun being in different spots – having that luxury – because I have kids and stuff.

The only thing I worry about is to write and write well. It’s just like a muscle. It’s not a God-given gift that you’re creative.Harry Potter Slytherin Pen Some people naturally have more of a creative inclination than others, but the only reason they’re so gifted is that they worked like a monster on it and are constantly flexing that muscle.

Every day I’m flexing that muscle. There’s always something to write, there’s always something to learn, and there’s always work to be done. Stripped Pattern Folding Sofa Bed Cover No Armrest AllInclusive SlipResistant Couch Cover Stretch Slipcover housse de canap color 15, Cushion Cover 2pcsThere’s no real excuse not to. I mean, there are millions of people who would love to have my job. If you’re in music or the arts, you can never take that for granted – you can never get lazy.

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PW: I grew up singing in a choir at a pretty young age. I grew up in a really small town. There were no cool bands.GoPiGo3 Robot Base Kit for STEM Learning with the Raspberry Pi From a very young age I sang at funerals and weddings, and big moments in people’s lives.

I am proud to make music for these kinds of moments in people’s lives and I probably still do that, but in a habitual form.

AM: What was your connection with the audience like when you were younger?Charlie Bear Truffles Pig Plush

PW: The thing about singing in a choir is they’re not your audience and you’re not on stage performing. Janod Fish Puzzle by JanodThe music is the performer and you are part of the instruments. It’s a very different perspective than someone going on stage and singing a song about themselves.

I still keep that kind of intention when I get on stage.Merry Merry Hostess Paper Napkins I generally like the idea of letting music do what it does best. I find music more interesting than me, to be honest. Of course I’m part of the process, but a very humbling part.

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When I watched James Brown when we toured with him, he had a very large level of humility when it came to music, HO Scale Garage f 8 trucksand he would do giant prayers before getting on stage.

He seemed like the most pompous person in the world from his interviews, but when he got on stage he was actually very humble. Eaglemoss DC Super Hero Collection Mega Special 3 Wonder Woman Polyresin FigurineHe knew how to listen to the room and the music and not to himself. He was basically a slave to the room and the sound and the vibe.

AM: What were your early experiences with the piano?One Piece Recommembers No.007 Lapahn 13in Plush Toy

PW: I started playing the piano around a year after I started singing.One Direction Singing Niall Doll I would go home and play the piano all night long until 2 or 3 o’clock in the morning at a very young age. I would just improvise. I loved that process.

AM: Can you describe your relationship with the piano?

PW: It was kind of interesting how I looked at the piano. I guess as a kid I thought the piano was a ghost. He would just do all the work for me and I would just hang out with him. I didn’t grow up in a city – I grew up in a pretty small town, BULING Tiger 4pc Bedding Set Full Size, Multicolord Abstract Rendition Large Feline Blazing Spectrum of Fire Rainbow color Floral Lightweight Microfiber Duvet Cover Set, Multicoloryou know. You get pretty romantic ideas in a very small town, so I didn’t know much better. I guess the piano was just like the ghost and then he wrote music for me, Gemini Jets United A320200 1 400 Scaleand I thought that was cool.

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Cover of Patrick Watson’s 2012 album, Adventures in Your Own Backyard (photo courtesy of Patrick Watson)

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People mistake these things as hobbies because they like to play the piano or they like to play an instrument.Flameer Horror Figurine Doll Scary Zombie Baby Doll Halloween Props Halloween Gift I don’t think anybody plays four or five hours in the middle of the night unless they need it to try and get through whatever they’ve got to do.

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Creativity is absolutely the most primal and most important survival tool you could have. I feel the people I’ve met who are really creative it’s generally a survival instinct.Tinkerbell Puzzle Set Disneys Tinkerbell Mini Puzzle Set (50pcs) It’s because they couldn’t cope and they just had to build worlds to cope.

AM: You have a concert coming up in Lyon with the Orchestre National de Lyon. What music will you be doing at that concert?Wearable Blanket Damask,Ancient Old Flourish in Ornate Style Venetian Art Inspirations Rich Baroque,Pale bluee Dark bluee Weighted for Adults Kids, Better Deeper Sleep 60 x62

PW: It’s a mixture more of the older records than the new ones because the older records reallyNECA Avengers Infinity War Scalers Figure Thanos 5 cm Marvel Mini Figures translate well to orchestra. They’re closer to classical music in the mood.

AM: How is playing with an orchestra different from playing just with your band?

PW: Playing with an orchestra is the best. Nothing beats it. It’s totally overwhelming. It’s also very technical difficult, but it’s amazing. KILL la KILL Dont lose your way T Shirt Black Size LIn classical music the downbeats are different because the conductor goes down and everybody reacts, so there’s flab to the “one.” In pop music the “one” is very, very definite.

AM: When is your next album coming out and what is it like?11 Inch Monster High Draculaura Storytelling Scarnival Doll with Carnival Game Accessories

Cover of Patrick Watson's 2015 album Love Songs for Robots (photo courtesy of Patrick Watson)

Cover of Patrick Watson’s 2015 album Love Songs for Robots (photo courtesy of Patrick Watson)

PW: It comes out in October. To be honest, this album is very particular because it was a very particular three years.8 Wood Hand Drum Dual Head with Drum Stick Percussion Musical Educational Toy Instrument for KTV Party Kids Toddler Wood color

At one point I thought there was going to be a lot of production, but when I started the record, I started to make something as bare as possible and very intimate. Just kind of really sincere. I also wanted songs so strong and well-written that the production wouldn’t save them. I could do them upside-down and they would still work.Kidz Tech Hot Wheels 9.3 ft. Battery Operated Slot Track Set by Kidztech

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It was just such a particular three years. My life fell apart so I had to rebuild everything over three years. Trademark Fine Art Augenblick Mal by Ines Kouidis Wall Decor, 14 by 14InchSo the album’s obviously a lot about that, whether I like it or not. It’s hard for it not to be when you’re going through that process.

AM: Aside from the Lyon concert, what are you doing now? Little Labs Boats and BuoyancyAre you working on your next album?

PW: I had started to work on it, but then I got a contract. I’m doing the music for the play Elephant Man in Paris. I will be writing the music during the summer.

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AM: Aside from music and your family, do you have any other major interests?

PW: Reading is becoming a huge part of my life. I’ve been a terrible reader since I was a kid. It would take me a year to read a book. B Train Shorty Series 185 Express185 color (4Car Set) (Model Train) (japan import)So I just never had that much access to literature because of that. And now I’m spending all my time catching up on everything I should have read 20 years ago.

Right now I’m reading The Lover by Marguerite Duras and Good Morning, Midnight by Jean Rhys. I try to read a book a week.Auvoau Simple Cotton Bedding Pastoral Princess Bedding Princess Style Bedding Set (King, Purple) The last book I read was amazing – Franny and Zooey by J. D. Salinger and it was so good!

Patrick Watson will perform with the Orchestre National de Lyon at the Théâtre Antique de Lyon on July 8, 2019. For more information about Patrick Watson, visit

Gymnasia can be viewed at the Phi Centre in Montreal until Sept. 15, 2019 as part of the immersive art exhibit HUM(AI)N. It can also be downloaded as an app from the Oculus Store. For more information on Gymnasia, visit YuGiOh Zexal Official Card Game Premium Pack Vol. 14 (10packs) (japan import) or the Whirl Cosplay Boots shoes for The Seven Deadly Sins Diane Long.